I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
I just cannot respect religion. It's all based on lies and is more
often used as a way to control people than to do any good for anyone.
We just have to start educating our children better.
On Dec 20, 11:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
As a woman, I have to agree. I have a problem with people who want to
make me a second class citizen.
I simply don't see why I should respect any organization, belief, or
value system that wants to do that.
Being polite and respectful with people who hold these types of
beliefs only takes you so far because their goal is inherently
contradictory to ours, and they want to impose their beliefs and value
system on us.
As a woman I have a stake in preventing that type of ignorance from
taking hold.
It's the twisted idea that all beliefs ought to be respected just
because they are beliefs. I refuse to respect any belief I consider
nuts.
Just the same, if believers basically keep their religion in the home,
church, and private school (that is, refrain from making it a matter
of public policy), then there is no problem.
I have no problem with religious icons, etc, displayed on private
property (even if the property is regularly occupied by the public -
malls, etc.) but I'm not so keen on having public property used to
promote any religion.
On Dec 20, 8:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
I suppose getting rid of the things Christians do publicly is
synonymous with trying to get pigeons off of the sidewalks by fining
those who feed them there.
Keep me off the sidewalks!!!!
On Dec 20, 2:22 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's the twisted idea that all beliefs ought to be respected just
> because they are beliefs. I refuse to respect any belief I consider
> nuts.
> Just the same, if believers basically keep their religion in the home,
> church, and private school (that is, refrain from making it a matter
> of public policy), then there is no problem.
> I have no problem with religious icons, etc, displayed on private
> property (even if the property is regularly occupied by the public -
> malls, etc.) but I'm not so keen on having public property used to
> promote any religion.
> On Dec 20, 8:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> > empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> > reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> > zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> > in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> > all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> > of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
home where they belong.
On Dec 20, 4:58 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I suppose getting rid of the things Christians do publicly is
> synonymous with trying to get pigeons off of the sidewalks by fining
> those who feed them there.
> Keep me off the sidewalks!!!!
> On Dec 20, 2:22 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's the twisted idea that all beliefs ought to be respected just
> > because they are beliefs. I refuse to respect any belief I consider
> > nuts.
> > Just the same, if believers basically keep their religion in the home,
> > church, and private school (that is, refrain from making it a matter
> > of public policy), then there is no problem.
> > I have no problem with religious icons, etc, displayed on private
> > property (even if the property is regularly occupied by the public -
> > malls, etc.) but I'm not so keen on having public property used to
> > promote any religion.
> > On Dec 20, 8:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> > > empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> > > reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> > > zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> > > in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> > > all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> > > of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
There are many other alternatives you know. For example, earplugs,
headphones. What about plain 'ol ignoring? When I wasn't a Christian,
that's what I did. Heck, if I was an atheist and someone came up to
me and preached the IPU, I'd get a good laugh. If they preached
Christianity, I suppose I'd be offended.
On Dec 20, 5:10 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
> Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
> home where they belong.
> On Dec 20, 4:58 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I suppose getting rid of the things Christians do publicly is
> > synonymous with trying to get pigeons off of the sidewalks by fining
> > those who feed them there.
> > Keep me off the sidewalks!!!!
> > On Dec 20, 2:22 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's the twisted idea that all beliefs ought to be respected just
> > > because they are beliefs. I refuse to respect any belief I consider
> > > nuts.
> > > Just the same, if believers basically keep their religion in the home,
> > > church, and private school (that is, refrain from making it a matter
> > > of public policy), then there is no problem.
> > > I have no problem with religious icons, etc, displayed on private
> > > property (even if the property is regularly occupied by the public -
> > > malls, etc.) but I'm not so keen on having public property used to
> > > promote any religion.
> > > On Dec 20, 8:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> > > > empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> > > > reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> > > > zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> > > > in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> > > > all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> > > > of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
On Dec 20, 5:16 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There are many other alternatives you know. For example, earplugs,
> headphones. What about plain 'ol ignoring? When I wasn't a Christian,
> that's what I did. Heck, if I was an atheist and someone came up to
> me and preached the IPU, I'd get a good laugh. If they preached
> Christianity, I suppose I'd be offended.
> On Dec 20, 5:10 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
> > Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
> > home where they belong.
Semi. I don't even care if you want to preach it. I don't want it in
the public schools. I don't want the prayer or God as part of the
political process (prayers being said at council meetings). I don't
want religious lobbyists bullying politicians into determining policy
based on their religious beliefs, etc.
It's a free country, preach all you want, don't impose your religion
into the secular state is what I meant by the sidewalk.
> > On Dec 20, 4:58 pm, semi <seminole10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I suppose getting rid of the things Christians do publicly is
> > > synonymous with trying to get pigeons off of the sidewalks by fining
> > > those who feed them there.
> > > Keep me off the sidewalks!!!!
> > > On Dec 20, 2:22 pm, Sketch System <sketch.sys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > It's the twisted idea that all beliefs ought to be respected just
> > > > because they are beliefs. I refuse to respect any belief I consider
> > > > nuts.
> > > > Just the same, if believers basically keep their religion in the home,
> > > > church, and private school (that is, refrain from making it a matter
> > > > of public policy), then there is no problem.
> > > > I have no problem with religious icons, etc, displayed on private
> > > > property (even if the property is regularly occupied by the public -
> > > > malls, etc.) but I'm not so keen on having public property used to
> > > > promote any religion.
> > > > On Dec 20, 8:20 am, Birric Forcella <erniec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I think this can only go so far. As a gay men I have very little
> > > > > empathy with people who are out to kill me. In general, I think,
> > > > > reasonable people of good will should seriously start considering a
> > > > > zero tolerance policy for lies and deception. Respect for religion,
> > > > > in thousands of years, has only led to immeasurable suffering. After
> > > > > all, the birth of Crist was the single largest calamity in the history
> > > > > of mankind, closely followed by the birth of Mohammad.
On Dec 20, 2:10 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
> Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
> home where they belong.
Can you say...censorship? Atheists aren't even satisfied with
Christians keeping it at home. They spend considerable time asking if
they should be allowed to teach their children, and try to buttress
this with stating treating some types of behavior are wrong is the
same as teaching blacks are sub-human. Lying - the Creed of Atheism.
Lie, lie, lie and proclaim that their morality is unique and superior
to all the rest.
On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2:10 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
> > Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
> > home where they belong.
> Can you say...censorship? Atheists aren't even satisfied with
> Christians keeping it at home.
Read my second post to semi Chris.
Then support your statement that "atheists aren't even satisfied with
Christians keeping it at home" before you call atheists liars.
They spend considerable time asking if
> they should be allowed to teach their children, and try to buttress
> this with stating treating some types of behavior are wrong is the
> same as teaching blacks are sub-human.
The above statement, frankly, makes no sense.
Lying - the Creed of Atheism.
> Lie, lie, lie and proclaim that their morality is unique and superior
> to all the rest.
No, we say that religious morality is corrupt and immoral.
You have freedom of religion.That's not enough for you?
I want freedom from religion. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Kitty, Atheism has been responsible for the deaths of approximately 25
million in the 20th century. This is undeniable. Attempts to brand
Lenin, or Stalin, or Hitler as Christians makes me state that Atheists
are liars. I see it all the time. I don't deny that their were deaths
perpetrated in the name of Christ, but who is the Christ in who's name
they were perpetrated? Not the Jesus of the bible. No one has been
able to substantiate that, but they have attempted to, with pathetic
lies. Sorry, most atheists trot out this stuff on a flash (just as
your original comment stated it needs to be kept in the church - ohhh
but you meant something else) then back off when it's challenged. I've
seen how the Bible makes people uncomfortable, have seen it all my
life. At the heart of Atheism is the rejection of God. It wants
nothing to do with Him, doesn't even want to hear about Him.
On Dec 20, 4:28 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 7:12 pm, Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 2:10 pm, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's not you we want to keep off the sidewalk, it's your religion.
> > > Feel free to join us on the sidewalk. Leave your religious beliefs at
> > > home where they belong.
> > Can you say...censorship? Atheists aren't even satisfied with
> > Christians keeping it at home.
> Read my second post to semi Chris.
> Then support your statement that "atheists aren't even satisfied with
> Christians keeping it at home" before you call athe
