Anti-anti-theists: Hypocrites - Atheism vs Christianity

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Chris

More options Jun 28 2008, 9:01 pm

From: Chris <chrism3...@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:01:00 -0700 (PDT)

Subject: Re: Anti-anti-theists: Hypocrites

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On Jun 27, 8:46 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It has recently been argued that anti-theists are being unfair to
> theists. The argument boils down to this:

> -If theists believe something that does not contradict secular
> morality, then anti-theists have no justification to say it's
> irrational and immoral.

I believe that secular morals are ever on the decline. I do not base
or compare my morals to secular ones, except in instances where I wish
to show that secular morality is inferior.
As to the suggestion that believing in God is irrational, one can
only wonder why the utter vast majority of the planet holds to some
sort of theistic belief. Rather it's the elitist scumbags like Barak
Obama who wish to impose their twisted morality on *theists*, all the
while seeking to gain acceptance by them, pretending to hold to some
form of religiosity. Yet somehow finds time to bash it.
He's become something of a poster-boy for you atheists, hasn't he?
All too fitting. He's as dumb as hell and evil to boot.

> -This is because they "just believe" in something based on "irrational
> intuition", and if it does not contradict secular morality, then it is
> permissible.

It's *permissible* because it's part of our Constitutional system,
and in fact is even codified therein. If you have a problem with it,
why don't you leave the country as you've *threatened* in the past.

> Let's apply this to the stance of the anti-theist... that religion, in
> and of itself, is immoral. Let's pretend that anti-theists have
> arrived at this conclusion via the same "irrational intuition" that
> theists are allegedly using for their conclusions. Of course this
> isn't actually true and anti-theists do a lot better with their
> arguments, but pretend that it is based on nothing aside from
> "irrational intuition". Now change "theists" in the above sentence to
> "anti-theists".

> -If anti-theists believe something that does not contradict secular
> morality, then anti-anti-theists have no justification to say it's
> irrational and immoral.
> -This is because they "just believe" in something based on "irrational
> intuition", and if it does not contradict secular morality, then it is
> permissible.

> Now, the question remains, does anti-theism contradict secular
> morality?

> Clearly anti-theism does not contradict secular morality more than
> theism (and of course, I believe it contradicts secular morality a
> great deal less, but that's besides the point to this discussion at
> hand). Therefore, based exclusively on this, there is no justification
> that someone should be "anti-anti-theist" for the reasons above. An
> anti-anti-theist can not consistently criticize anti-theists for the
> very thing the anti-theists are criticizing theists for.

> That makes anti-anti-theists hypocritical.

And this post makes you a total doofis.

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