> Thank you, rappy. I've been saying this for a while here. If
> "intolerance" in and of itself is bad, then being "intolerant of
> intolerance" is of course hypocritical. I've seen this attitude pop up
> here and there, right now bob600 and Walt seem particularly guilty of
> it (although theists constantly whine about "intolerance" despite the
> "intolerance" that is built into their respective faiths), and I
> really can't have any respect for people whose core "values" are
> completely based on holding standards to others that they don't hold
> to themselves. I think not living up to your own standards is failing
> the most basic test of ethics.

> On Jun 27, 9:46 pm, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > It has recently been argued that anti-theists are being unfair to
> > theists. The argument boils down to this:

> > -If theists believe something that does not contradict secular
> > morality, then anti-theists have no justification to say it's
> > irrational and immoral.
> > -This is because they "just believe" in something based on "irrational
> > intuition", and if it does not contradict secular morality, then it is
> > permissible.

> > Let's apply this to the stance of the anti-theist... that religion, in
> > and of itself, is immoral. Let's pretend that anti-theists have
> > arrived at this conclusion via the same "irrational intuition" that
> > theists are allegedly using for their conclusions. Of course this
> > isn't actually true and anti-theists do a lot better with their
> > arguments, but pretend that it is based on nothing aside from
> > "irrational intuition". Now change "theists" in the above sentence to
> > "anti-theists".

> > -If anti-theists believe something that does not contradict secular
> > morality, then anti-anti-theists have no justification to say it's
> > irrational and immoral.
> > -This is because they "just believe" in something based on "irrational
> > intuition", and if it does not contradict secular morality, then it is
> > permissible.

> > Now, the question remains, does anti-theism contradict secular
> > morality?

> > Clearly anti-theism does not contradict secular morality more than
> > theism (and of course, I believe it contradicts secular morality a
> > great deal less, but that's besides the point to this discussion at
> > hand). Therefore, based exclusively on this, there is no justification
> > that someone should be "anti-anti-theist" for the reasons above. An
> > anti-anti-theist can not consistently criticize anti-theists for the
> > very thing the anti-theists are criticizing theists for.

> > That makes anti-anti-theists hypocritical.- Hide quoted text -

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