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Dan Clore  
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 More options Jul 5 2008, 4:21 pm
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From: Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:21:25 -0700
Local: Sat, Jul 5 2008 4:21 pm
Subject: Parallel Passages

Authors of occult texts make manifold and strange claims. Yet, they oft
confirm one another's revelations in mysterious guise. Behold:

[. . .] in like manner some are called Woodmen, some Mountaineers, some
Fieldmen, some Domesticks. Hence the gods of the Woods, Country gods,
Satyrs, familiars, Fairies of the fountains, Fairies of the Woods,
Nymphs of the Sea, the Naiades, Neriades, Dryades, Pierides,
Hamadryades, Potumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Pareades, Dodonæ,
Feniliæ, Lavernæ, Pareæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides,
Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the Graces, the Genii,
Hobgoblins, and such like; whence they call them vulgar superiors, some
the demi-gods and goddesses; some of these are so familiar and
acquainted with men, that they are even affected with humane
perturbations, by whose instruction Plato thinketh that men do
oftentimes wonderfull things, even as by the instruction of men, some
beasts which are most nigh unto us, as Apes, Dogs, Elephants, do often
strange things above their species; and they who have written the
Chronicles of the Danes and Norwegians, do testifie, that spirits of
diverse kinds in those regions are subject to mens commands; moreover
some of these to be corporeall and mortall, whose bodies are begotten
and dy, yet to be long lived is the opinion of the Egyptians and
Platonists, and especially approved by Proclus. Plutarch also and
Demetrius the Philosopher, and Aemilianus the Rhetoritian affirm the
same; [. . .]
Henry Cornelius Agrippa (trans. James Freake), Three Books of Occult
Philosophy (1651)

In like manner some are called woodmen, some mountaineers, some
fieldmen, some domestics: hence the gods of the woods, country gods,
satyrs, familiars, fairies of the fountains, fairies of the woods,
nymphs of the sea, the Naïades, Nereïdes, Dryades, Piërides,
Hamadryades, Patumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Parcades, Dodonæ,
Fanilæ, Levernæ, Parcæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides,
Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the graces, the genii,
hobgobblins, and such like; whence the vulgar call them superiors, some
the demi-gods and goddesses: some of these are so familiar and
acquainted with men, that they are even affected with human
perturbations; by whose instructions Plato thinks that men do oftentimes
wonderful things, even as by the instruction of men; some beasts which
are most nigh to us, apes, dogs, elephants, do often strange things
above their own species; and they who have written the chronicles of the
Danes and Norwegians, do testify that spirits of several kinds in those
regions are subject to men's commands; moreover, some of these appear
corporeal and mortal, whose bodies are begotten and die; yet to be
long-lived is the opinion of the Egyptians and Platonists, and
especially approved by Proclus, Plutarch also, and Demetrius the
philosopher, and Æmilianus the rhetorician, affirm the same; [. . .]
Francis Barrett, The Magus; or, Celestial Intelligencer: Being a
Complete System of Occult Philosophy (1801)

In like manner some are called woodmen, some mountaineers, some
fieldmen, some domestics: hence the gods of the woods, country gods,
satyrs, familiars, fairies of the fountains, fairies of the woods,
nymphs of the sea, the Naiades, Nereides, Dryades, Pierides,
Hamadryades, Patumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Parcades, Dodonæ,
Finilæ, Levernæ, Parcæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides,
Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the graces, the genii,
hodgobblins [sic], and such like; whence the vulgar call them superiors,
some the demi-gods and goddesses: some of these are so familiar and
acquainted with men, that they are even affected with human
perturbations; by whose instructions I say that men do oftentimes
wonderful things, even as by the instruction of men; some beasts which
are most nigh to us, apes, dogs, elephants, do often strange things
above their species; and they who have written the chronicles of the
Danes and Norwegians, do testify that spirits of several kinds in those
regions are subject to men's commands; moreover, some of these appear
corporeal and mortal, whose bodies are begotten and die; yet to be
long-lived is the sacred teachings of the Lamas and Yoghees and
especially approved by Bxuzin, Muxdinba also, and Demetrius the
philosopher and Ximandibuz the rhetorician, affirm the same; [. . .]
L.W. de Laurence, The Great Book of Magical Art, Hindu Magic and East
Indian Occultism and the Book of Secret Hindu, Ceremonial, and
Talismanic Magic (1915)

--
Dan Clore

My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://tinyurl.com/2gcoqt
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http://tinyurl.com/292yz9
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"Tho-ag in Zhi-gyu slept seven Khorlo. Zodmanas
zhiba. All Nyug bosom. Konch-hog not; Thyan-Kam
not; Lha-Chohan not; Tenbrel Chugnyi not;
Dharmakaya ceased; Tgenchang not become; Barnang
and Ssa in Ngovonyidj; alone Tho-og Yinsin in
night of Sun-chan and Yong-grub (Parinishpanna),
&c., &c.,"
-- The Book of Dzyan.


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Quadibloc  
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 More options Jul 5 2008, 4:47 pm
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From: Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca>
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:47:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jul 5 2008 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages
On Jul 5, 5:21 am, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:

> Authors of occult texts make manifold and strange claims. Yet, they oft
> confirm one another's revelations in mysterious guise. Behold:

Ah, yes. I had seen criticisms of Barrett and Laurence for cribbing
from Agrippa; in the case of Barrett, that was obvious enough, with
diagrams and mystical alphabets copied over, but you have truly
supplied a smoking gun of plagiarism.

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Al Smith  
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From: Al Smith <inva...@address.com>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:42:09 GMT
Local: Sat, Jul 5 2008 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages
> Authors of occult texts make manifold and strange claims. Yet, they oft confirm one another's revelations in mysterious guise. Behold:

> [. . .] in like manner some are called Woodmen, some Mountaineers, some Fieldmen, some Domesticks. Hence the gods of the Woods, Country gods, Satyrs, familiars, Fairies of the fountains, Fairies of the Woods, Nymphs of the Sea, the Naiades, Neriades, Dryades, Pierides, Hamadryades, Potumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Pareades, Dodonæ, Feniliæ, Lavernæ, Pareæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides, Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the Graces, the Genii, Hobgoblins, and such like; whence they call them vulgar superiors, some the demi-gods and goddesses; some of these are so familiar and acquainted with men, that they are even affected with humane perturbations, by whose instruction Plato thinketh that men do oftentimes wonderfull things, even as by the instruction of men, some beasts which are most nigh unto us, as Apes, Dogs, Elephants, do often strange things above their species; and they who have written the Chronicles of the Danes and Norwegians, do testifie, th

at spirits of diverse kinds in those regions are subject to mens commands; moreover some of these to be corporeall and mortall, whose bodies are begotten and dy, yet to be long lived is the opinion of the Egyptians and Platonists, and especially approved by Proclus. Plutarch also and Demetrius the Philosopher, and Aemilianus the Rhetoritian affirm the same; [. . .]
> Henry Cornelius Agrippa (trans. James Freake), Three Books of Occult Philosophy (1651)

> In like manner some are called woodmen, some mountaineers, some fieldmen, some domestics: hence the gods of the woods, country gods, satyrs, familiars, fairies of the fountains, fairies of the woods, nymphs of the sea, the Naïades, Nereïdes, Dryades, Piërides, Hamadryades, Patumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Parcades, Dodonæ, Fanilæ, Levernæ, Parcæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides, Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the graces, the genii, hobgobblins, and such like; whence the vulgar call them superiors, some the demi-gods and goddesses: some of these are so familiar and acquainted with men, that they are even affected with human perturbations; by whose instructions Plato thinks that men do oftentimes wonderful things, even as by the instruction of men; some beasts which are most nigh to us, apes, dogs, elephants, do often strange things above their own species; and they who have written the chronicles of the Danes and Norwegians, do testify that spirits of se

veral kinds in those regions are subject to men's commands; moreover, some of these appear corporeal and mortal, whose bodies are begotten and die; yet to be long-lived is the opinion of the Egyptians and Platonists, and especially approved by Proclus, Plutarch also, and Demetrius the philosopher, and Æmilianus the rhetorician, affirm the same; [. . .]
> Francis Barrett, The Magus; or, Celestial Intelligencer: Being a Complete System of Occult Philosophy (1801)

> In like manner some are called woodmen, some mountaineers, some fieldmen, some domestics: hence the gods of the woods, country gods, satyrs, familiars, fairies of the fountains, fairies of the woods, nymphs of the sea, the Naiades, Nereides, Dryades, Pierides, Hamadryades, Patumides, Hinnides, Agapte, Pales, Parcades, Dodonæ, Finilæ, Levernæ, Parcæ, Muses, Aonides, Castalides, Heliconides, Pegasides, Meonides, Phebiades, Camenæ, the graces, the genii, hodgobblins [sic], and such like; whence the vulgar call them superiors, some the demi-gods and goddesses: some of these are so familiar and acquainted with men, that they are even affected with human perturbations; by whose instructions I say that men do oftentimes wonderful things, even as by the instruction of men; some beasts which are most nigh to us, apes, dogs, elephants, do often strange things above their species; and they who have written the chronicles of the Danes and Norwegians, do testify that spirits of several

 kinds in those regions are subject to men's commands; moreover, some of these appear corporeal and mortal, whose bodies are begotten and die; yet to be long-lived is the sacred teachings of the Lamas and Yoghees and especially approved by Bxuzin, Muxdinba also, and Demetrius the philosopher and Ximandibuz the rhetorician, affirm the same; [. . .]

> L.W. de Laurence, The Great Book of Magical Art, Hindu Magic and East Indian Occultism and the Book of Secret Hindu, Ceremonial, and Talismanic Magic (1915)

> --
> Dan Clore

LOL. I got a chuckle out of that post. Yes, Barrett was a bold-faced
plagiarist, nothing more. And De Laurence was a pirate publisher who
thought nothing of putting his own name on the works of other men.
Let's hope both men are burning in hell together.

-Al-


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Gene  
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 More options Jul 6 2008, 12:14 am
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From: Gene <g...@chewbacca.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:14:24 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 12:14 am
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages
Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote in news:486F5935.7050409
@columbia-center.org:

> Authors of occult texts make manifold and strange claims. Yet, they oft
> confirm one another's revelations in mysterious guise. Behold:

Wow, it's like magic. So eerie!

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 More options Jul 6 2008, 3:40 am
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From: thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:40:17 GMT
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 3:40 am
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages
: Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca>
: Ah, yes. I had seen criticisms of Barrett and Laurence for cribbing
: from Agrippa;

And in some ways a pity, since without that, a certain harmony can
be achieved, since Tibault cancels out Capo Ferro unless you've
cribbed from Agrippa.

Wayne Throop   thro...@sheol.org   http://sheol.org/throopw


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Dan Clore  
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 More options Jul 6 2008, 4:19 am
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From: Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:19:56 -0700
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 4:19 am
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Jul 5, 5:21 am, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
>> Authors of occult texts make manifold and strange claims. Yet, they
>> oft confirm one another's revelations in mysterious guise. Behold:

> Ah, yes. I had seen criticisms of Barrett and Laurence for cribbing
> from Agrippa; in the case of Barrett, that was obvious enough, with
> diagrams and mystical alphabets copied over, but you have truly
> supplied a smoking gun of plagiarism.

I thought the really funny part was where Laurence substituted names
with inventions like Bxuzin, Muxdinba, and Ximandibuz. These are
supposed to be Hindus, but they are extremely unconvincing (not to
mention that he left Demetrius unaltered in the middle of these
purported Hindu names). Actually, the last one would make a pretty good
name in a Vancian or Klarkash-Tonian type fantasy. Once I get writing
some fantasy again, I just might have to see what I can plunder from
Laurence--

--
Dan Clore

My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
http://tinyurl.com/2gcoqt
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Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
-- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"


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Bill Snyder  
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From: Bill Snyder <bsny...@airmail.net>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:20:09 -0500
Local: Sun, Jul 6 2008 5:20 am
Subject: Re: Parallel Passages
On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:40:17 GMT, thro...@sheol.org (Wayne Throop)
wrote:

>: Quadibloc <jsav...@ecn.ab.ca>
>: Ah, yes. I had seen criticisms of Barrett and Laurence for cribbing
>: from Agrippa;

>And in some ways a pity, since without that, a certain harmony can
>be achieved, since Tibault cancels out Capo Ferro unless you've
>cribbed from Agrippa.

Unless you're a Spaniard who hasn't even got sense enough to use a
wall.

--
Bill Snyder  [This space unintentionally left blank]


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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:15:57 +1000
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"Bill Snyder" <bsny...@airmail.net> wrote in message

news:3t30745g4ev9rt3tvgcs3rk8kj6ag24734@4ax.com...

Also unless you, too ,are not left-handed :-)

Sheerluck


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