Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid process and produced legislation to back it. http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html Now if the rest of the states can follow. Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines (important to an efficient use MK)
High octane rating .
Higher specific energy than ethanol
The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
Can be made from Algae
We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. We need energy independence. Mike (MK)
amdx wrote: > Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid > process and produced legislation to back it. > http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html > Now if the rest of the states can follow. > Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production.. Not maybe useless but far from ideal.
> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than > ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines > (important to an efficient use MK)
> High octane rating .
> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar > beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural > byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
>> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient >> stupid >> process and produced legislation to back it. >> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html >> Now if the rest of the states can follow. >> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production.. > Not > maybe useless but far from ideal.
>> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than >> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines >> (important to an efficient use MK)
>> High octane rating .
>> Higher specific energy than ethanol
>> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar >> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural >> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
> Graham
I wonder if there is any extra energy input to produce butanol instead of ethanol? I t seems silly to make ethanol when butanol has all these advantages. Mike
amdx wrote: > "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > amdx wrote:
> >> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient > >> stupid process and produced legislation to back it. > >> http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html > >> Now if the rest of the states can follow. > >> Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> > Damn right. Corn is a relatively poor feedstock for bio-fuel production.. > > Not > > maybe useless but far from ideal.
> >> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than > >> ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines > >> (important to an efficient use MK)
> >> High octane rating .
> >> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> >> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar > >> beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural > >> byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> > And currently being developed in the UK using sugar beet as feedstock.
> I wonder if there is any extra energy input to produce butanol instead of > ethanol? I t seems silly to make ethanol when butanol has all these > advantages.
> Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid > process and produced legislation to back it. > http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html > Now if the rest of the states can follow. > Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies..
> Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than > ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines > (important to an efficient use MK)
> High octane rating .
> Higher specific energy than ethanol
> The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar > beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural > byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed).
> Can be made from Algae
> We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. > We need energy independence. > Mike (MK)
news:d0db9$486fbfbd$4501396f$19909@KNOLOGY.NET... | Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid | process and produced legislation to back it. | http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html | Now if the rest of the states can follow. | Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies.. | | And what about Butanol. | | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel | | Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than | ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines | (important to an efficient use MK) | | High octane rating . | | Higher specific energy than ethanol | | The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar | beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural | byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed). | | Can be made from Algae | | We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. | We need energy independence. | Mike (MK) | |
One word SUGAR.
If politicians really meant what they say they'd approve other sources such as industrial hemp. (it's a weed after all)
NotMe wrote: > "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote in message > news:d0db9$486fbfbd$4501396f$19909@KNOLOGY.NET... > | Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid > | process and produced legislation to back it. > | http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html > | Now if the rest of the states can follow. > | Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies.. > | > | And what about Butanol. > | > | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel > | > | Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than > | ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines > | (important to an efficient use MK) > | > | High octane rating . > | > | Higher specific energy than ethanol > | > | The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar > | beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural > | byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed). > | > | Can be made from Algae > | > | We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. > | We need energy independence. > | Mike (MK) > | > |
> One word SUGAR.
> If politicians really meant what they say they'd approve other sources such > as industrial hemp. (it's a weed after all)
Come on man, get real. Support of hemp or marijuana is the sure road to political suicide.
In alt.energy.homepower CurlyQue <ma...@gug.com> wrote:
| NotMe wrote: |> "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote in message
|> news:d0db9$486fbfbd$4501396f$19909@KNOLOGY.NET... |> | Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid |> | process and produced legislation to back it. |> | http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html |> | Now if the rest of the states can follow. |> | Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies.. |> | |> | And what about Butanol. |> | |> | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel |> | |> | Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than |> | ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines |> | (important to an efficient use MK) |> | |> | High octane rating . |> | |> | Higher specific energy than ethanol |> | |> | The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar |> | beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural |> | byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed). |> | |> | Can be made from Algae |> | |> | We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. |> | We need energy independence. |> | Mike (MK) |> | |> | |> |> One word SUGAR. |> |> If politicians really meant what they say they'd approve other sources such |> as industrial hemp. (it's a weed after all) |> |> |> | | Come on man, get real. Support of hemp or marijuana is the sure road to | political suicide. | | To bad for us, but it aint never gonna happen.
It would take a real _leader_ to stand up and say that we need to dispose of our legacy prejudices and accept the use of hemp (a product that has no significant levels of any psychotropic drugs) in the many useful ways it can be used for. The problem is, no real _leaders_ ever become politicians. 2008 is just yet another election year where Americans are expected to choose among a few non-leaders.
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phil-news-nos...@ipal.net wrote: > In alt.energy.homepower CurlyQue <ma...@gug.com> wrote: > | NotMe wrote: > |> "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote in message > |> news:d0db9$486fbfbd$4501396f$19909@KNOLOGY.NET... > |> | Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient stupid > |> | process and produced legislation to back it. > |> | http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html > |> | Now if the rest of the states can follow. > |> | Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies.. > |> | > |> | And what about Butanol. > |> | > |> | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel > |> | > |> | Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive than > |> | ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing pipelines > |> | (important to an efficient use MK) > |> | > |> | High octane rating . > |> | > |> | Higher specific energy than ethanol > |> | > |> | The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as sugar > |> | beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as agricultural > |> | byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference needed). > |> | > |> | Can be made from Algae > |> | > |> | We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. > |> | We need energy independence. > |> | Mike (MK) > |> | > |> | > |> > |> One word SUGAR. > |> > |> If politicians really meant what they say they'd approve other sources such > |> as industrial hemp. (it's a weed after all) > |> > |> > |> > | > | Come on man, get real. Support of hemp or marijuana is the sure road to > | political suicide. > | > | To bad for us, but it aint never gonna happen.
> It would take a real _leader_ to stand up and say that we need to dispose of > our legacy prejudices and accept the use of hemp (a product that has no > significant levels of any psychotropic drugs) in the many useful ways it can > be used for. The problem is, no real _leaders_ ever become politicians. > 2008 is just yet another election year where Americans are expected to choose > among a few non-leaders.
> In alt.energy.homepower CurlyQue <ma...@gug.com> wrote: >| NotMe wrote: >|> "amdx" <a...@knology.net> wrote in message >|> news:d0db9$486fbfbd$4501396f$19909@KNOLOGY.NET... >|> | Louisiana has figured out that ethanol from corn is an inefficient >|> | stupid process and produced legislation to back it. >|> | http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0701-ethanol.html >|> | Now if the rest of the states can follow. >|> | Farm lobby by d$*^#d. No more corn subsidies.. >|> | >|> | And what about Butanol. >|> | >|> | From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butanol_fuel >|> | >|> | Butanol better tolerates water contamination and is less corrosive >|> | than ethanol and more suitable for distribution through existing >|> | pipelines (important to an efficient use MK) >|> | >|> | High octane rating . >|> | >|> | Higher specific energy than ethanol >|> | >|> | The feedstocks are the same as for ethanol: energy crops such as >|> | sugar beets, sugar cane, corn grain, wheat and cassava as well as >|> | agricultural byproducts such as straw and corn stalks (reference >|> | needed). >|> | >|> | Can be made from Algae >|> | >|> | We need nuclear power and a better battery for autos. >|> | We need energy independence. >|> | Mike (MK) >|> | >|> | >|> >|> One word SUGAR. >|> >|> If politicians really meant what they say they'd approve other >|> sources such as industrial hemp. (it's a weed after all) >|> >|> >|> >| >| Come on man, get real. Support of hemp or marijuana is the sure road >| to political suicide. >| >| To bad for us, but it aint never gonna happen.
> It would take a real _leader_ to stand up and say that we need to > dispose of our legacy prejudices and accept the use of hemp (a product > that has no significant levels of any psychotropic drugs) in the many > useful ways it can be used for. The problem is, no real _leaders_ > ever become politicians. 2008 is just yet another election year where > Americans are expected to choose among a few non-leaders.
He points out that "rape seed oil" was renamed Canola Oil because people got all upset over the name "rape seed" - based upon that, he proposes a "rebranding" (pseudonouveau dopey word for "rename") of low-THC hemp.
How about a "rename the weed" contest?
Here are some starters: - Elltea ("LT", = low-THC) - No-nine (no delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol i.e. THC) - Fan-leaf False Bamboo (based on its bamboo-ish look and leaf shape) - Dakota Twineweed (since it's used for twine, among other things, and North Dakota farmers Wayne Hauge and Dave Monson filed a lawsuit against the DEA) - Dakota Paperplant (as above) (Also, I dunno whether this is true, but I read that the Declaration of Independence is written on hemp paper =:-o !)
I read that 30 (at least) industrial nations grow and utilize industrial hemp. It figures, these days, that the US is looking backasswards rather than towards the future - heck, most folks here seem to think that oil is a never-ending self-renewing resource (too damn stupid to remember the lessons of the gas crisis in the 70's, which I remember *very* well - including people getting beat up, knifed, and even shot in various disputes related to the lines - and the gov.t's flippant annihilation of MPG restrictions compounded that myopic amnesia).
Anyway, given that, these days, Flash in the US now counts for far, FAR more than substance, it wouldn't surprise me if a simple rename did actually help =:-o
