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  <title type="text">sci.math Google Group</title>
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  Mathematical discussions and pursuits.
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  <updated>2008-12-01T22:08:03Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>galathaea</name>
  <email>galath...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T22:08:03Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com.pk/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/a0949101b39a57e8/c32342352f8b0e17?show_docid=c32342352f8b0e17</id>
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  <title type="text">Re: defining log(A) for matrix A. with det =/= 0</title>
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  it is almost always an issue of miscommunication &lt;br&gt; there are &amp;quot;standard&amp;quot; communications &lt;br&gt; the ones sanctioned in the halls of academia &lt;br&gt; and handed down through texts and demonstration &lt;br&gt; and there are &amp;quot;other&amp;quot; communications &lt;br&gt; those generated from somewhere else &lt;br&gt; either personal exploration &lt;br&gt; or attempts at foreign translation
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  <author>
  <name>WM</name>
  <email>mueck...@rz.fh-augsburg.de</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:57:11Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: MatheRealism</title>
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  Unless it is a name or a thing that cannot exist but as a name. &lt;br&gt; Yes, very romantic minds. But romantics is not a good ground for &lt;br&gt; raising mathematics. Alas, you prefer numbers that have no address. So &lt;br&gt; there is no point of discussing with you. &lt;br&gt; Soloman Feferman: Platonism is the medieval metaphysics of
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  <author>
  <name>Leroy Quet</name>
  <email>qqq...@mindspring.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:55:53Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Co-Compositeness (a game)</title>
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  This is a game for any number of players. Start with an n-by-n grid, &lt;br&gt; where n is larger if there are more players. (I suggest an n of at &lt;br&gt; least 16 if there are 2 players.) &lt;br&gt; The first player to move places a 1 in any of the grid&#39;s squares. &lt;br&gt; Players take turns placing numbers in the grid&#39;s squares as follows:
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  <email>eric_cho...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:53:37Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.pk/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/b678bba6385ef1af/2e81fc5097c53dbd?show_docid=2e81fc5097c53dbd"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Linear map preserving positive definite matrices</title>
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  On 2 nov, 07:08, Robert Israel &amp;lt;isr...@math.MyUniversitysInit ials.ca&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; Dear Robert, &lt;br&gt; Thanks for your answer, &lt;br&gt; I may have taken this result for granted a little bit too quickly... &lt;br&gt; Actually I&#39;ve seen this result in a set of papers on Jordan Algebras &lt;br&gt; and bounded symmetric domains (from different authors),
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  <author>
  <name>amzoti</name>
  <email>amz...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:48:28Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: obtaining a numerical evaluation of log(2) with mathematica</title>
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  First - I am not sure what Ln is (unless it is new), the command is &lt;br&gt; Log - for any base - with defualt being natural log. &lt;br&gt; You could use postfix notation as in Log[2]//N &lt;br&gt; You could also use N[Log[2]]. &lt;br&gt; If you want more precision, you could also use N[Ln[2],100000] &lt;br&gt; That should at least get you started with the commands - so you can
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  <author>
  <name>MoeBlee</name>
  <email>jazzm...@hotmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:43:06Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: consistency of arithmetic</title>
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  On Dec 1, 1:29 pm, Denis Feldmann &amp;lt;feldmann.denis.asuppri...@neu f.fr&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; Just to be clear, Godel completeness may be stated in this form: If a &lt;br&gt; set of formulas G (such as a theory) is consistent, then G has a model &lt;br&gt; M (M satisfies all the members of G). &lt;br&gt; On the other hand, the principle that &amp;quot;if a set of formulas G (such as
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  <author>
  <name>Denis Feldmann</name>
  <email>feldmann.denis.asuppri...@neuf.fr</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:33:12Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: defining log(A) for matrix A. with det =/= 0</title>
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  David R Tribble a écrit : &lt;br&gt; Perhaps a look at Wikipedia would prevent some of the name calling :-) &lt;br&gt; is it possible, then, to actually &lt;br&gt; Yes, it is &lt;br&gt; Is your left better than your right ? What if we write columns instead &lt;br&gt; of lines ? And why not use 1/2(exp(B log(A)) + exp(log(A) B))? &lt;br&gt; Why not? You are free to define anything anyway you like, as long as
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Denis Feldmann</name>
  <email>feldmann.denis.asuppri...@neuf.fr</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:29:39Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: consistency of arithmetic</title>
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  A N Niel a écrit : &lt;br&gt; Actually, it mostly use a confusion between the formal notion of model &lt;br&gt; (for which the result of consistency is well-known since Godel) and the &lt;br&gt; idea of &amp;quot;the natural numbers&amp;quot;, which is *not* a model, being not &lt;br&gt; formalised (and in some theories, the naïve integers are not even a
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  <author>
  <name>MoeBlee</name>
  <email>jazzm...@hotmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-12-01T21:15:37Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: bluster</title>
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  Then what did I write about &amp;quot;xex&amp;quot; that she takes exception to and that &lt;br&gt; she thinks is to be &amp;quot;not on the side of mathematical advancement&amp;quot;? &lt;br&gt; MoeBlee
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  <author>
  <name>David R Tribble</name>
  <email>da...@tribble.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-12-01T21:11:28Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: defining log(A) for matrix A. with det =/= 0</title>
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  Okay, so assuming there is a workable definition of log(A) somewhere &lt;br&gt; amidst all the name-calling, is it possible, then, to actually &lt;br&gt; calculate &lt;br&gt; something A^B for some simple (2x2) examples? &lt;br&gt; Was it ever made clear whether A^B = exp(B log(A)) was a better &lt;br&gt; or worse choice than exp(log(A) B)? &lt;br&gt; Should we conclude that root{B}(A) = exp(inv(B) log(A))?
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  <author>
  <name>LudovicoVan</name>
  <email>ju...@diegidio.name</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:10:23Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: lets turn the tables</title>
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  FYI, I said: not *that* interested. &lt;br&gt; Just as serious as you -- and co. Stick together. &lt;br&gt; -LV
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  <author>
  <name>Robert Israel</name>
  <email>isr...@math.myuniversitysinitials.ca</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-12-01T21:10:11Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.pk/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/6708fc2bdc8fb2eb/e0c78a9144baa4d8?show_docid=e0c78a9144baa4d8"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Conjugate of homographic functions</title>
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  &amp;quot;Homographic&amp;quot; = &amp;quot;fractional linear&amp;quot;? &lt;br&gt; h3 must map the fixed points of h2 (on the Riemann sphere) to &lt;br&gt; fixed points of h1. In particular, h1 and h2 must have the same &lt;br&gt; number of fixed points. But that won&#39;t be enough to determine the &lt;br&gt; fractional linear transformation. &lt;br&gt; Case 1: h1 and h2 each have one fixed point. We may assume
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  <author>
  <name>A N Niel</name>
  <email>ann...@nym.alias.net.invalid</email>
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  <updated>2008-12-01T21:09:31Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.pk/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/9aa8f013128a2d3f/b27bb8804e30a743?show_docid=b27bb8804e30a743"/>
  <title type="text">Re: consistency of arithmetic</title>
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  In article &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;3366ed41-1235-46c8-b0e8-0480d 736f...@j39g2000yqn.googlegrou ps.com&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; As I read it, he says: It is known that if a theory has a model, then &lt;br&gt; the theory is consistent. But in fact PA has the natural numbers as a &lt;br&gt; model, therefore PA is consistent.
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  <author>
  <name>G. A. Edgar</name>
  <email>ed...@math.ohio-state.edu.invalid</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-12-01T21:01:58Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com.pk/group/sci.math/browse_thread/thread/ad93284d848a4785/729b2353231af18c?show_docid=729b2353231af18c"/>
  <title type="text">Re: t.v.s</title>
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  In article &lt;br&gt; &amp;lt;15674010.1228159561342.JavaMa il.jaka...@nitrogen.mathforum. org&amp;gt;, &lt;br&gt; becasue it&#39;s contractible?
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  <author>
  <name>Chip Eastham</name>
  <email>hardm...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-12-01T21:01:52Z</updated>
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  <title type="text">Re: A third matrix C ...</title>
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  On Dec 1, 3:33 am, &amp;quot;alainvergh...@gmail.com&amp;quot; &amp;lt;alainvergh...@gmail.com&amp;gt; &lt;br&gt; wrote: &lt;br&gt; My point was that if C is invertible, &lt;br&gt; then yes, A,B are similar matrices: &lt;br&gt; A*C = C*B implies A = C*B*C^-1 &lt;br&gt; and thus A,B share a characteristic &lt;br&gt; polynomial (and the other invariants). &lt;br&gt; If C not invertible, more possibilities &lt;br&gt; exists. Indeed for C = 0 (zero matrix)
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